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  RISC OS and Acorn on The Register
  ksattic (15:28 11/7/2003)
  monkeyson2 (16:32 11/7/2003)
  smink (16:33 11/7/2003)
    guestx (13:15 14/7/2003)
      rich (13:22 14/7/2003)
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Simon Wilson Message #44323, posted by ksattic at 15:28, 11/7/2003
ksattic
Finally, an avatar!

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http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/35/31683.html
(a few paragraphs down)
"I started to reverse engineering the RISC OS and then I had some fun. Machines in the school would boot up and immediately shut down again, some had their FPemulator (Floating Point emulator) unplugged and others played the tune 'Get Ready For This' and had a dancer on screen moving to beat."


http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/31692.html
"At one time, the BBC Domesday Project looked doomed by its reliance upon an dead, almost unreadable, hardware platform" (hope they're talking about Laserdisc and not the Master)

[Edited by ksattic at 15:54, 11/7/2003]
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Phil Mellor Message #44326, posted by monkeyson2 at 16:32, 11/7/2003, in reply to message #44323
monkeyson2Please don't let them make me be a monkey butler

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http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/31692.html
"At one time, the BBC Domesday Project looked doomed by its reliance upon an dead, almost unreadable, hardware platform" (hope they're talking about Laserdisc and not the Master)
The BBC Masters used for the Domesday project were not standard machines. They were fitted with additional ROMs, a SCSI interface and a co-processor. Finding a machine with all these working is much harder than finding a standard Beeb.

Oh, and the Reg article is inaccurate in a number of respects.

The PRO are only providing access to data from the first of the two Domesday discs. This, the "Community disc" contains the mapping, text and local photographs of the UK. The second disc (the "National disc") contains many photo archives, video sequences (news, pathe, etc), and walkthroughs, and is not available to the public.

Why? Partly because the copyright ownership is much more straightforward on the first disc, but also because the PRO are running a new front end (written for Windows) that makes use of text and images recovered from the original BBC Domesday and its source material. I understand that the data on the second disc is structured in a more complicated way and reverse engineering these data files will be a harder job than for the first disc.

On the one hand, the Windows application can provide a familiar and arguably more user friendly interface for modern day users (I'd argue that the interface hasn't been modernised enough, but that's a personal preference). On the other hand the original look and feel is lost - considering that the BBC Domesday was a pioneering multimedia system this is a real shame, at least for those interested in the history of computing.

Bear in mind that if the new Domesday interface isn't sufficiently portable, it will have to be rewritten/emulated in the future anyway.

http://www.pro.gov.uk/about/preservation/digital/domesday/community.htm

Incidentally, the University of Leeds is still interested in producing a full preservation quality emulation of Domesday (ie. run as if on a BBC Master) that can hopefully be made publically accessible.

Also, the CAMiLEON project wasn't set up solely to transfer the Domesday data (as implied by El Reg). The PRO worked independently in the transferal of Domesday images from the analogue masters, and the new front end was Adrian Love's private project. Adrian met the Jeffrey Darlington (from the PRO) and Andy Finney (an original member of the BBC Domesday team) at CAMilEON's Domesday event back in December.

[Edited by monkeyson2 at 16:33, 11/7/2003]
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smink Message #44327, posted by smink at 16:33, 11/7/2003, in reply to message #44323
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http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/35/31683.html
Seems to have his head firmly lodged where the sun don't shine.....
Is it dgs ??
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GuestX Message #44372, posted by guestx at 13:15, 14/7/2003, in reply to message #44327
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http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/35/31683.html
Seems to have his head firmly lodged where the sun don't shine.....
Is it dgs ??
Backslapping, backstabbing, 3133t h@X0r, big-fish-in-small-pond in-fighting, spam obsession, "paranormal" Ancient Egypt alien civilisation obsession.

Could be a number of people.
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Richard Goodwin Message #44373, posted by rich at 13:22, 14/7/2003, in reply to message #44372
Rich
Dictator for life
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Backslapping, backstabbing, 3133t h@X0r, big-fish-in-small-pond in-fighting, spam obsession, "paranormal" Ancient Egypt alien civilisation obsession.

Could be a number of people.
The only one that came to mind was The Paul Vigay when I read the above however ;)
________
RichGCheers,
Rich.
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GuestX Message #44375, posted by guestx at 14:27, 14/7/2003, in reply to message #44373
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Backslapping, backstabbing, 3133t h@X0r, big-fish-in-small-pond in-fighting, spam obsession, "paranormal" Ancient Egypt alien civilisation obsession.

Could be a number of people.
The only one that came to mind was The Paul Vigay when I read the above however ;)
But not for all of the above, despite his flaws. ;-)

The RISC OS Community Awards, 2003:

- Backslapping
- Backstabbing
- 3133t h@X0r
- Big-fish-in-small-pond in-fighting
- Spam obsession
- "Paranormal" Ancient Egypt alien civilisation obsession

"And the nominations are..."
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David Boddie Message #44412, posted by davidb at 02:45, 15/7/2003, in reply to message #44373
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Rich wrote:
The only one that came to mind was The Paul Vigay when I read the above however ;)
I'm rapidly losing respect for "The" Vigay since he was edited out of the UK DVD release of Signs. Other former Acorn luminaries (Orlando) manage to avoid being cut from documentaries on mystical subjects:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcfour/documentaries/features/voynich-manuscript.shtml

;)
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ninjah Message #44816, posted by ninj at 18:18, 23/7/2003, in reply to message #44412
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I saw that documentary when it was repeated on BBC2. Very interesting, despite being an hour long documentary which ended in a massive narritive 'I dunno'. Which one was Orlando then?

From the first Reg article:
others played the tune 'Get Ready For This' and had a dancer on screen moving to beat. This was ripped from a virus known as 'Funky Demo'.
Funky Demo wasn't a virus, was it? It was a legitimate demo.
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David Boddie Message #44818, posted by davidb at 18:54, 23/7/2003, in reply to message #44816
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I saw that documentary when it was repeated on BBC2. Very interesting, despite being an hour long documentary which ended in a massive narritive 'I dunno'. Which one was Orlando then?
http://www.nickpelling.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/
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Tony Haines Message #44833, posted by Loris at 11:21, 24/7/2003, in reply to message #44816
madbanHa ha, me mine, mwahahahaha
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others played the tune 'Get Ready For This' and had a dancer on screen moving to beat. This was ripped from a virus known as 'Funky Demo'.
Funky Demo wasn't a virus, was it? It was a legitimate demo.
The guy makes several mistakes like this. Also I'm rather suspecting he is exaggerating his exploits. The Funkydemo one for example could probably be done by copying the demo into !boot somewhere. He seems to like making computers stop working. I'd guess the Acorns he modified could be fixed by holding down... shift or something on bootup? But the question is why do it? Any true hacker would be doing much more interesting things.
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GuestX Message #44843, posted by guestx at 14:35, 24/7/2003, in reply to message #44833
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The guy makes several mistakes like this. Also I'm rather suspecting he is exaggerating his exploits.
Yes, an "3133t h@X0r", as I said earlier.
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Tony Haines Message #44848, posted by Loris at 16:59, 24/7/2003, in reply to message #44843
madbanHa ha, me mine, mwahahahaha
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Yes, an "3133t h@X0r", as I said earlier.
Yes but actually I didn't know what that meant. :)
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Phil Mellor Message #45029, posted by monkeyson2 at 17:02, 31/7/2003, in reply to message #44323
monkeyson2Please don't let them make me be a monkey butler

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the BBC Domesday Project
There's a detailed article on how the PRO and Adrian Pearce's work on recreating BBC Domesday here...

http://www.ariadne.ac.uk/issue36/tna/
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Jason Togneri Message #46604, posted by filecore at 12:09, 22/9/2003, in reply to message #44848

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Yes, an "3133t h@X0r", as I said earlier.
Yes but actually I didn't know what that meant. :)
y0u d0|\|t 5p33k l33t 5p34k??
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Mike Yates Message #125417, posted by MikeYates at 21:52, 13/4/2023, in reply to message #44833
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McDonald's (ugh!) are currently using this tune in their UK adverts. It reminded me of that shiny dancing robot - yes, it was a genuine demo. AFAIR it was real-time 3D rendered (shiny) from vector graphics so, even with the source, it could not easily be emulated today. I wonder if anyone converted it to a movie, if only by filming the monitor screen?
I'm desperate to see it again!!
Anyone here got a working Archimedes?
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Mike Yates Message #125419, posted by MikeYates at 18:54, 14/4/2023, in reply to message #125417
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I found the youtube!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cu7nAMLnFao
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