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Acorn Arcade forums: Site Comments: PDA & WAP site updates
 
  PDA & WAP site updates
  rich (12:17 6/9/2006)
  VincceH (15:17 6/9/2006)
    rich (16:28 6/9/2006)
      tlsa (21:56 6/9/2006)
        rich (07:22 7/9/2006)
          tlsa (17:41 7/9/2006)
            rich (21:39 7/9/2006)
              Phlamethrower (21:59 7/9/2006)
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                      rich (14:07 24/11/2006)
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Richard Goodwin Message #79842, posted by rich at 12:17, 6/9/2006
Rich
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The software sections of the PDA and WAP sites wouldn't have worked since I moved the software stuff over to database storage. I've fixed this by creating a new plain text feed which use Apache redirects to map to the old text files, and switched the CGIs from text access to a web fetch.

The simple HTML feed has been updated to use the short description of the type of program as part of the headline. I haven't been able to test WAP, as I no longer have a suitable phone.
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VinceH Message #79845, posted by VincceH at 15:17, 6/9/2006, in reply to message #79842
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Visiting wap.iconbar.co.uk gives a basic index page ("Welcome to the IconBar WAP service" with links for news, Acorn Arcade, Updated software, New software, Media Watch and Site update news.

With the exception of Site update news, selecting any of those links gives a blank page. Site update news gives a news item dated 11/1/01 ("After making sure that both WML and cHTML sites can co-exist..." )

HTH

(www.iconbar.co.uk works well enough on my phone anyway)

[Edited by VincceH at 15:18, 6/9/2006]
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Richard Goodwin Message #79851, posted by rich at 16:28, 6/9/2006, in reply to message #79845
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Visiting wap.iconbar.co.uk [...] With the exception of Site update news, selecting any of those links gives a blank page.
Bah, for some reason it didn't have the same file fetch code in the WAP version, despite the fact that both versions are based on the same code :( And because of the "clever" redirects that don't allow non-WAP stuff to access it, I couldn't see.

And it turns out my iMode phone is, in fact, capable of displaying WAP sites.

Now fixed.
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Michael Drake Message #79884, posted by tlsa at 21:56, 6/9/2006, in reply to message #79851

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:richg:, did you get the e-mail I sent you? I sent it to the goodwin d o t uk d o t com address on http://www.houseofmabel.com/
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Richard Goodwin Message #79892, posted by rich at 07:22, 7/9/2006, in reply to message #79884
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:richg:, did you get the e-mail I sent you? I sent it to the goodwin d o t uk d o t com address on http://www.houseofmabel.com/
I have no Internets at home ATM. Apart from finding an open WAP last night ;)
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Michael Drake Message #79910, posted by tlsa at 17:41, 7/9/2006, in reply to message #79892

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I have no Internets at home ATM. Apart from finding an open WAP last night ;)
Oh, OK. Well I was asking if you could please set up a picodrive.acornarcade.com subdomain.

PicoDrive is a MegaDrive emulator that's being ported to RISC OS. Most discussion is happening on:
http://www.iconbar.com/forums/viewthread.php?threadid=7853&page=6

I would like to make a web site for the emulator, with download, version history, background information, documentation, screenshots, game compatibility and some short reviews of top games. There would be no ROMs hosted there, of course, and no links to ROM sites. (Unless I find some nice freeware / homebrew ROMs.)

Phlamethrower and Adrianl would need access too.
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Richard Goodwin Message #79933, posted by rich at 21:39, 7/9/2006, in reply to message #79910
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It is done. Phlamey should have the details RSN - not that I don't trust you, it's just that I had his email address to hand, so he got typed in as the default addressee.

He can be pointed at this thread if he doesn't already know it's OK to pass out the FTP details to you and Adrian.
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Jeffrey Lee Message #79934, posted by Phlamethrower at 21:59, 7/9/2006, in reply to message #79933
PhlamethrowerHot Hot Hot Hot Hot Hot Hot Hot Hot Hot Hot Hot Hot stuff

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:o

Details have been forwarded.

[Edited by Phlamethrower at 22:07, 7/9/2006]
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Michael Drake Message #79936, posted by tlsa at 08:21, 8/9/2006, in reply to message #79933

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It is done.
Yay, thanks!
Details have been forwarded.
I've not received them yet. Could you resend?

I'll start on the site today. :E
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Jeffrey Lee Message #79943, posted by Phlamethrower at 10:58, 8/9/2006, in reply to message #79936
PhlamethrowerHot Hot Hot Hot Hot Hot Hot Hot Hot Hot Hot Hot Hot stuff

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I've not received them yet. Could you resend?
Tsssk!
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Jason Tribbeck Message #83541, posted by tribbles at 22:44, 23/11/2006, in reply to message #79943
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Should pda.iconbar.com be different to the main site? It looks the same on my PDA...

(Works though - graphics are a bit on the large size for the screen!)
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Andrew Poole Message #83542, posted by andypoole at 23:27, 23/11/2006, in reply to message #83541
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Should pda.iconbar.com be different to the main site? It looks the same on my PDA...
pda.iconbar.com appears to redirect to the main site, which might explain the similarity you're seeing...
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Richard Goodwin Message #83555, posted by rich at 14:07, 24/11/2006, in reply to message #83542
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Should pda.iconbar.com be different to the main site? It looks the same on my PDA...
pda.iconbar.com appears to redirect to the main site, which might explain the similarity you're seeing...
Presumably the PDA in question is using a browser that the site's detection code can't tell from a "real" computer and browsers, so it's moving you to the big boy's website rather than the watered down version.

Get me the full user agent and I might update the detection code. I haven't touched it in about 5 years.
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Jason Tribbeck Message #83564, posted by tribbles at 15:32, 24/11/2006, in reply to message #83555
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According to my weblogs, it's:

HPiPAQhw6900/1.0/Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows CE; PPC; 240x240)

(yes, it's 240x240 :) ).
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Jeffrey Lee Message #83565, posted by Phlamethrower at 15:39, 24/11/2006, in reply to message #83564
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Windows CE
Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeew
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Jason Tribbeck Message #83566, posted by tribbles at 15:48, 24/11/2006, in reply to message #83565
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It was a free phone, and has GPS, GPRS, 802.11b, and bluetooth.

Oh, and a qwerty keyboard.
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Jeffrey Lee Message #83567, posted by Phlamethrower at 15:58, 24/11/2006, in reply to message #83566
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No matter how free or QWERTY it was, it doesn't make up for the fact that it uses Windows CE :P
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Jason Tribbeck Message #83568, posted by tribbles at 16:09, 24/11/2006, in reply to message #83567
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Well, we were allowed to choose a free mobile from Vodafone's list, and I looked for one that:

1) Had GPRS
2) Had 802.11b
3) Would talk to our intranet server
4) Was as expensive as possible ("They'd never let me have one" was what I thought)
5) Was NOT a Symbian device

This was the one that was the closest.

I'm actually quite happy with it - I wasn't after GPS (and I didn't know it had it until it arrived). Okay, I've done a single battery removal/insertion in the time I've had it, but it works fairly well.
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Richard Goodwin Message #83569, posted by rich at 16:35, 24/11/2006, in reply to message #83564
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According to my weblogs, it's:

HPiPAQhw6900/1.0/Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows CE; PPC; 240x240)

(yes, it's 240x240 :) ).
I'm not able to test it, but I've kludged something in that may/may not enable you to view the simple HTML site.
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Jason Tribbeck Message #83570, posted by tribbles at 16:36, 24/11/2006, in reply to message #83569
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'fraid it's redirected me to www.iconbar.com....
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Phil Mellor Message #83571, posted by monkeyson2 at 17:17, 24/11/2006, in reply to message #83570
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Is there a need to sniff user agents and redirect to the full site? If you're going to pda.iconbar.com, you obviously want the PDA version, right?
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Richard Goodwin Message #83572, posted by rich at 17:19, 24/11/2006, in reply to message #83571
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Is there a need to sniff user agents and redirect to the full site? If you're going to pda.iconbar.com, you obviously want the PDA version, right?
Wrong. Because there's one for PDAs, one for WML, and the main site for proper computers. Plus other stuff like whether the browser can handle graphics, colours etc.

The fact is that the simple_html Perl script is a bigger drain on server resources (watch the load average go right up when someone uses AvantGo to snarf the whole simple html site), so people should be redirected to the main site as much as possible anyway. At least until the PHP version of the feeds is finished.
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Phil Mellor Message #83573, posted by monkeyson2 at 17:24, 24/11/2006, in reply to message #83572
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Is there a need to sniff user agents and redirect to the full site? If you're going to pda.iconbar.com, you obviously want the PDA version, right?
Wrong. Because there's one for PDAs, one for WML, and the main site for proper computers. Plus other stuff like whether the browser can handle graphics, colours etc.

The fact is that the simple_html Perl script is a bigger drain on server resources (watch the load average go right up when someone uses AvantGo to snarf the whole simple html site), so people should be redirected to the main site as much as possible anyway. At least until the PHP version of the feeds is finished.
Fair enough. Add it to the list of secret things to do.

I've never even seen the PDA version of the site... :o
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Jason Tribbeck Message #83589, posted by tribbles at 22:10, 24/11/2006, in reply to message #83573
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Well, when the site's working, I'll be able to tell you ;)
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Richard Goodwin Message #83607, posted by rich at 12:45, 25/11/2006, in reply to message #83573
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Fair enough. Add it to the list of secret things to do.
It's already there. I got it to feed simple HTML before I got anywhere near RSS 0.9, because it was a simple matter of dumping the DB output straight to the page ;)
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Jason Tribbeck Message #94298, posted by tribbles at 20:11, 26/11/2006, in reply to message #83607
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Okay, now the new site is up (nice!), pda.iconbar.com is still redirecting back to the old.

However, there's no rush :)
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Richard Goodwin Message #94333, posted by rich at 21:52, 26/11/2006, in reply to message #94298
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Okay, now the new site is up (nice!), pda.iconbar.com is still redirecting back to the old.

However, there's no rush :)
Um, there is no old, we scribbled over it. Caching?
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Jason Tribbeck Message #94352, posted by tribbles at 23:20, 26/11/2006, in reply to message #94333
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Okay, now the new site is up (nice!), pda.iconbar.com is still redirecting back to the old.

However, there's no rush :)
Um, there is no old, we scribbled over it. Caching?
Okay - "old" being the new site, but not a PDA version (I don't think you've done anything with this yet though, so there's no urgency).
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